Trade Hub Brainstorm
TappedOut forum
Posted on Feb. 15, 2015, 1:08 p.m. by yeaGO
Hello all,
Join me in a brainstorm. The topic has come up before: a centralized portal / landing page for trading. But what would it contain?
VampireArmy says... #3
What do you mean by that?
We have a trading forum. how would it be different from that?
February 15, 2015 1:10 p.m.
- Preview of the trading forum (kinda like the standard deck hub).
February 15, 2015 1:17 p.m.
We are a lot of international users here, and i think a trading hub needs to have a filter for location (country as well as Europe/Asia/Africa and so on). A landing page for trades should include a sortable list of users having the cards you are looking for, and a list of users that match your haves/wants
You should also not limit yourself to trades. An option to set a price for a card in your binder could open up for buying/selling cards as well :)
February 15, 2015 1:19 p.m.
great suggestions. fyi, your own binder page should already have that list.
February 15, 2015 1:22 p.m.
I use a local site that emphasises on auction. Set a start/end date, a list of cards and their starting price and let users bid on the cards. You could take a fee of a dollar or two for promotion of auctions, to cover development costs/time.
February 15, 2015 1:23 p.m.
Yeh filter by card first, then you get a list of all users with that card. Filter by location next to see a list of all users in the desired area with the card.
I would love that.
February 15, 2015 1:25 p.m.
Should I just make location filtering by continent? Country seems too tedious for euro users.
February 15, 2015 1:26 p.m.
"Karma" points for each trader, to show who to trade with! You can review traders, and it would show up when trading with them!
February 15, 2015 1:31 p.m.
Yes. Although some european countries aren't in the EU and the postage is super expensive.
February 15, 2015 1:31 p.m.
Yeh you should be able to like +1, or -1 people. Although deckbox (a trading site) makes you consult a moderator before you -1 someone. So you can't like.... be a dick for no reason.
February 15, 2015 1:32 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #14
ChiefBell they changed that recently. You can now -1 without permission but the other person can report you to the mods if it's unreasonable
February 15, 2015 1:36 p.m.
I still think communication should be encouraged over negative feedback.
February 15, 2015 1:46 p.m.
I use a local tradig site and this is why i use it:
• To be able to do trades you need to register in a official "organisation", and when you register you need to provide your social security number, which are matched by the governments database of citizens. Probably hard to do on an international site tho :).
• You can trade cards or host auctions. Auctions where you set the starting bid and a buyout price. Auctions could be a way to finance the development of the trading hub by offering extra exposure for 1-2-3 dollars per auction.
• You rate the person you trade/buy from. Not just vouch, you should be able to do positive, neutral and negative rating and write something. Vouches should not be visible until both users has submitted a vouch.
February 15, 2015 1:49 p.m.
Yeah. I don't like negative feedback. There's no -1 on decks, notice :P
As for positive feedback, I'd rather people ride on their reputation rather than elaborate point systems. You should do a lot of legwork and research before you start trading with someone on the site.
Also, bear in mind.. this particular discussion is about a centralized hub page and what features it might have. So let's not tangent tooo much.
February 15, 2015 1:50 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #19
I still have no idea what exactly you mean by centralized trade page
February 15, 2015 1:52 p.m.
As in like a webpage on the website. Similar to the standard deck pages or the modern deck pages.
February 15, 2015 1:52 p.m.
like the front page, or a deck hub page, except for traders.
a portal view into trading around the site.
some imagination will be required :P
February 15, 2015 1:53 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #22
I see. So the gist here being instead of decks, you'll see trade lists?
February 15, 2015 1:54 p.m.
I'd say so, yeah.
I was thinking also I would move your matches from your own binder view to this view.
February 15, 2015 1:56 p.m.
What if you could use feature tokens on your binder too, so on this page people would see a 1-2 sentence blurb of what you're trading. More token uses = more site revenue.
February 15, 2015 2:02 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #25
I was going to suggest exactly what Jay said...Guess I got ninja'd without getting ninja'd
February 15, 2015 2:09 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #26
Well, if you wanted to integrate the location settings into other aspects of the site (e.g., the event feed/calendar we were talking about earlier, yeaGO), then you could allow users to set a radius for notifications. They could receive binder update notifications when a user within X miles/kilometers adds a matching card, and you could also allow users to check options for national or continental trades.
For example, a setting page might look like this:
Trade Settings
TappedOut facilitates transactions between users. Use the Trade Hub to find and arrange trades and sales!
Disclaimer: TappedOut.net does not take any legal, financial, or logistical responsibility for trades between its users. Users arrange and enter into transactions with one another at their own risk. TappedOut.net will not be held liable for failed or fraudulent transactions.
Location Settings
Use location settings to improve your trade searches. If enabled, location settings will prioritize nearby users and highlight them for potential transactions.
I am available for trades within
Suggest trades with users within
Also, maybe allow users to have separate binder pages for paper and digital (MTGO) cards?
As for the trade hub itself, I think a binder feed much like the current deck feed would probably be useful. Bindercycling, which I think we talked about before, would be interesting. As Jay and ducttapedeckbox suggested, feature tokens could be given additional functionality for this purpose.
I don't think users need to see a list of currently ongoing trades. I think a "recent traders" list would be more useful (it could display the 15-20 most recent users to mark a trade as received on both ends).
Or maybe a "most active traders" list that averages your trades over the past three months.
I'd also like to see some kind of PM system that allows users to organize their trades with one another. Currently, trade organization takes place on walls and binder pages, and it can get pretty messy once people start a long back-and-forth. A PM system would be much cleaner, and users would be able to gauge interest and arrange the trade details without clogging up public or semipublic pages.
February 15, 2015 2:52 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #27
Going off of what Epoch said, I think a PM system would be good, or if wall posts could be condensed kinda like how emails are- you click on their name/initial post to view the entire conversation.
Another thought would be to have an average trade completion time. This could be really glitchy with people forgetting to update trades and international traders. There could be an option when you check "received" to input the date you received the cards? Just to gauge a user's response time.
February 15, 2015 3:27 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #28
If more statistics were to be kept about trading, an automatic "star" system could be implemented. I'm avoiding the "Trader Rank" idea so we don't have competition, but say, after 5-10 successful trades, a user gets 1-3 stars based on their trade completion time, number of trades, and whatever else we come up with.
February 15, 2015 3:30 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #29
I don't like the idea of condensing posts because it doesn't really solve the problem and it adds an extra step to read the content. The PM system would be a way to organize all of the shipping details, as well as the trade details themselves, in private.
Trade completion time is a terrible metric because it varies wildly with the quality of the post system and the distance between the users. I wouldn't even use it to estimate a user's sense of responsibility much less his or her quality as a trader.
February 15, 2015 4:33 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #30
I agree that the trade completion time was a poor suggestion, I wasn't thinking straight when I brought it up.
Where would the PM system be located? A sidebar menu or another page? I was thinking on a very simple level but something more elaborate and dedicated would be much better.
February 15, 2015 7:23 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #31
Could just add it to the page is the trade Itself. Like where you go to mark the trade received ya know?
Just a text box there?
February 15, 2015 7:27 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #32
Although just having a pm system in general would do a lot to improve the site.
February 15, 2015 7:31 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #33
I thought about embedded messages in trade offers, but the downside to that is that you'd still have to arrange the trade first (unless we modified how offers work).
Either way, the PM system is just infrastructure that we can build up later. I'd assume it's more complicated than just building the trade hub.
yeaGO says... #2
oh oh, i have some ideas
February 15, 2015 1:09 p.m.