What do you say when it's impossible to say anything nice?
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Posted on Sept. 5, 2016, 4:31 p.m. by Siyanor
Yes, yes, I know, "Don't say anything if you can't say anything nice." That doesn't help, though. Not saying anything is, at least in theory, far less useful than brusquely-toned criticism. Well, I am a very brusque person, and for whatever reason people seem to be unable to look past my tone to see the content of my posts. So, my question is, how can I fix that or should I even bother to try?
Metroid_Hybrid says... #2
Concerning post #51..
Sentence #1 is unconstructive and comes across as insulting, period.. (btw, he was being "sarcastic" about the brain hemorrhage--see below)
Sentence #2: Although perfectly understandable, you still obviously need to learn to recognize & understand the subtle nuances of social interaction, and accept the fact that nobody is going to think exactly like you.. <-- this takes time, guidance, and a lot of trial & error.. I'm speaking from well over a decade of very painful experience here. You've probably never had the crap beat out you for saying the wrong thing to someone when you thought you were just being "clear, concise, and honest".. Guess what? I have, and more times than I'd care to admit..
Sentence #3 is actually incorrect, and a little rude. Whether you realize it or not, the price(s) of cards is almost always relevant when it comes to mtg..
Sentence #4 is also both rude and incorrect as well.. Linking cards is simply a common practice here on this site for a variety of reasons, and just because someone hasn't seen a particular card before doesn't mean that they can't look at it and make a perfectly valid assessment of it realitivly quickly..
September 6, 2016 7:13 a.m.
metalevolence says... #3
Yeah post 51 is pretty rude overall, borderline pompous.
I wouldn't fault anyone for not knowing an entirely forgettable card from years gone by.
September 6, 2016 7:40 a.m.
This goes to all but the OP: this guys seems nuts hahahah. Therefore, discussion here seems counterproductive and the thread might be better off closed. Much rudeness, such lack of politeness. Wow.
And Siyanor: you have a problem little whelp. We live in society and society has some rules and tacit agreements: spitting "honest clear and concise statements" is usually a dangerous thing. Work on that because if it raises this much of a problem in a WEBSITE, man I can just guess how you talk to people in real life.
Oh and before I forget: dismissing other people's opinion is awfully RUDE without a valid counter argument. Also price is like... ~30% of the importance of a deck list, at least.
And yeah pup, I hadn't seen Nesting Wurm in a while: so what? That invalidates my WHOLE opinion and experience in a given area? Oh please, don't make me laugh.
Cheers to all! Should we summon somebody to close this discussion before it gets bloody? Hahah
September 6, 2016 8:22 a.m.
Sometimes people specify that they don't want to drop big dollars. If they don't it's completely normal to suggest the best cards, that's what would make the deck better. The fact that those cards cost way more money is irrelevant to what the deck needs. At the same time, sometimes it's fun to just play a fun deck, something that's consistent and that fits a playstyle that the player likes, usually when people are after this they say it, and visa versa; but if someone says nothing in their description, the baseline assumption is they're new, and might not even know about the best cards. So you tell them, that's just what you do. Heck, when I started playing this game, I used to post decks that I didn't even own, just cards that I thought would work well together, 0 testing, just me throwing shit out there. I didn't get any comments, which is fine, but if anyone has said, "hey, dude, this is kind of a terrible deck," I probably would've saved some money. Eventually I got in standard and have come to love the slower tempo and the playability of the cards as well as the diverse meta game. So if someone was to ask me advice one where to start, Id say, if you're just starting, don't bother building 10 bad decks. Net deck a top tier standard deck, (for 2-300 dollars, which isn't much in magic,) and learn how to run it, learn how to sideboard it, learn how it feels to play a proper deck. Then after a full season of that, go back to building.
September 6, 2016 10:13 a.m.
Busse Get out of this thread. You simply do not understand the purpose of it at all. Everything you have said has zero relevance to the topic. Which, if you aren't aware, is extremely rude beyond all possible measure.
September 6, 2016 11:31 a.m.
Dear Siyanor, you are officially the most impolite person I've come across in all these years in T/O.
I'll now, for my own mental health, stop discussing things here. I'll just sit back and enjoy the show. And don't say: "Yeah, you betta' get out!". Just don't bother. This is a website where we all try to enjoy, read and write feedback, and create/refine our decks... don't spoil it.
Cheers to all, and don't feed the troll!
September 6, 2016 12:08 p.m.
Epochalyptik Can we close this thread? It stopped being constructive a long time ago.
September 6, 2016 12:14 p.m.
Then start making it constructive and stop posting off-topic bullshit.
September 6, 2016 12:16 p.m.
I gave my thoughts. Many other people gave you plenty of helpful advice. If you don't like it that's on you. Don't worry, I'm leaving now.
September 6, 2016 12:22 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #11
"If you can't say something nice, say nothing at all" actually is helpful. The problem is that you need to exert self control in order to realize that philosophy.
While your opinions may be worth sharing, they're no more or less worth sharing than other people's opinions. Your definition of fun is no more or less correct than anyone else's. Your opinion of Nesting Wurm is not more or less correct than anyone else's.
I suspect that, to some degree, your problem lies in that you have a hard time empathizing with people. Maybe you think that Deathgaze Cockatrice cannot possibly be fun because it doesn't fit your conceptualization of fun. But rather than assuming anything, why not ask?
It's probably the same disconnect that leads you so easily to harshly-worded responses and then to ad hominem retorts.
It's a problem that you're ultimately going to have to address by yourself. Re-reading your own posts would probably help. For example, you're about to post the following on a Modern Bant deck:
"Llanowar Elves sucks. You should obviously be using Noble Hierarch or you'll never make it in Modern."
Rereading it in the preview screen, however, you opt for a more objective approach that considers what the other person wants:
"Llanowar Elves gets the job done, but it's not the best card for your deck. If your budget allows, you should consider using Noble Hierarch. It taps for the other colors you need and also has exalted, and it might help make the deck more competitive in your Modern FNMs."
Ask yourself: "why are people here?" It's not to listen to your opinions. Or mine. Or anyone else's. It's to participate in a community, give and receive help, and grow as players. Our perspectives as players are a part of that, and they're a means to growing as a community. Your posts would likely be more helpful and less abrasive if you approached them by asking "what do other people need?" rather than "what do I have to say?"
By the way, those of you who are instigating in this thread are in the wrong. Cut that shit out. If someone is getting to you, follow the above advice and go to another thread instead of further deteriorating this one.
September 6, 2016 6:34 p.m.
Epochalyptik If you somehow legitimately believe that saying nothing is helpful, then you probably should have said nothing. You definitely haven't said anything either nice or helpful.
Siyanor says... #1
Busse That brain hemorrhage must be why you clearly did not comprehend it in the slightest.
I want others to be clear, concise, and honest. I am clear, concise and honest. I see no issues here.
Card prices are wholly irrelevant to this thread. Do not even attempt to mention them if you want me to take you seriously at all.
Also, I didn't bother to link it because if you don't already know Nesting Wurm, your opinion with regard to that post has no validity.
September 6, 2016 2:05 a.m.