Can I sac Throne of Geth to itself?
Asked by Sp00k 13 years ago
Ok, I'm curious how others would rule this.
I tap Throne of Geth , can I choose to sacrifice the same Throne of Geth to its own ability?
phyrexianpotater says... #2
yep! its great isnt it? 2 drop proliferate for the win. lol.
January 14, 2011 2:48 p.m.
therealaboy says... #3
Stack
- Throne of Geth s sacrifice a artifact: proliferate.
- Throne of Geth is chosen as the artifact and sacrificed.
January 14, 2011 2:48 p.m.
tapanmeister says... #5
Yes, you may sacrifice it to itself. The proliferation occurs after the tap effect. So since you have already paid the cost to use Throne of Geth (by the aforementioned tapping), you may proliferate without the said Throne of Geth on the battlefield.
Great Viscera Seer example by the way, cnielsen05.
January 14, 2011 2:50 p.m.
602.2a The player announces that he or she is activating the ability. If an activated ability is being activated from a hidden zone, the card that has that ability is revealed. That ability is created on the stack as an object thats not a card. It becomes the topmost object on the stack. It has the text of the ability that created it, and no other characteristics. Its controller is the player who activated the ability. The ability remains on the stack until its countered, it resolves, or an effect moves it elsewhere.
I think that specific line shows that the card itself need not be in play for the ability to go through, thus giving you the option to sacrifice Throne of Geth for it's own ability.
January 14, 2011 3:04 p.m.
To expand, it has nothing to do with the order between proliferating and sacrificing the artifact since the ability (proliferating) goes on the stack separate of Throne of Geth once activated.
January 14, 2011 3:12 p.m.
I don't think I worded that properly. This is exactly what happens:
1) You announce you are activating Throne of Geth 's ability. The ability is now created on the stack.
2) You now pay the costs to activate the ability. You tap Throne of Geth then sacrifice an artifact you control, in this case, the same Throne of Geth . This works because the ability is already on the stack when Throne of Geth leaves the battlefield.
January 14, 2011 3:20 p.m.
to reiterate what everyone else is saying yes you can sac throne of geth to proliferate.
112.7a Once activated or triggered, an ability exists on the stack independently of its source. Destruction or removal of the source after that time won't affect the ability. Note that some abilities cause a source to do something (for example, "Prodigal Sorcerer deals 1 damage to target creature or player") rather than the ability doing anything directly. In these cases, any activated or triggered ability that references information about the source because the effect needs to be divided checks that information when the ability is put onto the stack. Otherwise, it will check that information when it resolves. In both instances, if the source is no longer in the zone it's expected to be in at that time, its last known information is used. The source can still perform the action even though it no longer exists.
cnielsen05 says... Accepted answer #1
There is nothing in the wording that indicates to me you can't. If you could not, the wording would be phrased as "Sacrifice another artifact you control: Proliferate."
Just like how you can sacrifice Viscera Seer to itself.
January 14, 2011 2:34 p.m.