Can Venser, the Sojourner
exile a permanent in your graveyard and then put it onto the battlefield at the end of turn?
Asked by dquinn 13 years ago
Nature's spinal says that you can return a permanent from your graveyard to your hand, indicating that a permanent is still a permanent when it's in the graveyard. So, does this mean that with Venser you can exile a permanent from your graveyard then have it enter the battlefield at the beginning of the next end step? Is nature's spiral wrong, or is Venser insanely good?
although they still are permanents, you technically dont "own" it anymore when it falls to the GY. sorry bro
January 11, 2011 8:33 p.m.
I was under the impression that it was the other way around. You own all the cards in your graveyard, but they are not permanents unless they are on the field. In the same way, cards in your hand are only cards that you own, not permanents or spells. They are cards while they are in your graveyard, deck, or hand, spells when they are on the stack, and permanents when they are on the field.
January 11, 2011 8:56 p.m.
keithroule says... #4
Crothselm yes a permanent is only a permanent if it has resolved and is on the battlefield thats y card:Nature's Spiral says permanent card any thing returned from ur graveyard is not a permanent until it enters the battlefield
January 11, 2011 9:03 p.m.
the confusion here is that Venser, the Sojourner says 'permanent' and card:Nature's Spiral says 'permanent card'.
January 11, 2011 9:24 p.m.
MagnorCriol says... #6
That's also the key.
Cards are ONLY permanents when they're on the battlefield. Anywhere else they're not considered to be permanents.
card:Nature's Spiral tells you to return a permanent card from the graveyard, which is how it still works; if it just said "return a permanent from the graveyard" then it would be an illegal card itself.
January 11, 2011 11:20 p.m.
emblasochist says... #7
Agreed. The phrasing "permanent card" is used to denote the types of cards you can return to your hand; cards that are, while in play, permanents (ie, lands, creatures, enchantments and artifacts). Permanent card is less text than land card, creature card, enchantment card, or artifact card, so they took the less verbose route.
Venser cannot bounce stuff from the graveyard to play. Venser can only bounce stuff from play, because it says permanent, not permanent or permanent card.
jewpop42 says... #1
Venser, the Sojourner card:Nature's Spiral
references.
January 11, 2011 8:31 p.m.