does Myr Welder's ability stay or leave?
Asked by Shyachi33 13 years ago
if i exile a card with welder to imprint, then right after that someone Unsummon s it and i play welder again, since the card was still exiled with welder would it still stay on him? or because it's fresh on the field it starts anew with nothing imprinted on. same for if welder is destroyed and brought back from the grave. and since the imprint is name specific if i imprint something with 1 welder and i have a second welder on the field would i be able able to use it's imprinted ability with both the welders?
I would assume it has nothing imprinted on it seeing as replaying it is no different than playing a new card from your hand. Sure, it may be physically the same card but your still technically casting a new creature.
And any mention of a cards name in its description is read as it dealing with itself only, not other copies of it on the field.
February 10, 2011 3:36 p.m.
Once a permanent changes zones it no longer has any memory of any previous events. When it re-enters the battlefield becomes a new instance of that permanent.
The second Myr Welder will not be able to use the imprinted ability since its' ability refers to that specific instance of the card.
That also explains why when it changes zones it won't remember any imprinted abilities.
February 10, 2011 3:38 p.m.
in that case since name accounts for only itself would 2 Vigor s out on the field protect each other? cause since it mentioned "other then vigor", they wouldn't protect each other but if what you're saying is ture then the vigors would protect each other since the name only accounts to themselves
February 10, 2011 3:39 p.m.
Also tokens vanish when removed from the battlefield and never hit the graveyard, so you would not be able to imprint a token.
February 10, 2011 3:40 p.m.
thaimaishuu says... #6
An imprinted card is said to be "linked" to the card imprinting it. When Myr Welder leaves the battlefield, it is no longer linked to the card or cards it imprinted.
So to answer your second question. Since each imprint is linked. Each myr will only have access to the linked cards it imprinted, itself.
February 10, 2011 3:42 p.m.
no, from what i understand a token does still technically hit the graveyard for a split second not just vanish when it's dead, so that cards like Blade of the Bloodchief would get the effects of the tokens going to the graveyard
February 10, 2011 3:42 p.m.
Two Vigor 's would indeed protect themselves and even add +1/+1 counters to each other.
@oulani - Tokens hit the graveyard and are then removed by state based effects. So yes, you could theoretically imprint tokens. I haven't found any rulings on it myself though.
February 10, 2011 3:43 p.m.
Actually, re-reading the rules for Imprint has shown me that in order to imprint anything it must be a card. Tokens are not cards, therefore cannot be imprinted.
February 10, 2011 3:45 p.m.
@Emn1ty - It also says card, but tokens aren't cards so that point is moot.
February 10, 2011 3:45 p.m.
i can get the token cards >.> lol jkjk. okay thanks for clearifying everyone, this was bothering me as i was trying to build a myr deck, and i wanted to see how useful welder could be
February 10, 2011 3:47 p.m.
thaimaishuu says... #12
Tokens do enter the graveyard briefly before state-base action removes it from the game. However, since the tokens that hit the graveyard are removed by SBA, there is no time to respond and imprint them.
This is absolutely correct and does work that way.in that case since name accounts for only itself would 2 Vigors out on the field protect each other? cause since it mentioned "other then vigor", they wouldn't protect each other but if what you're saying is ture then the vigors would protect each other since the name only accounts to themselves
Shyachi33 says... #1
oh and 1 last question for Myr Welder if a token would be destroyed, and hit the grave yard, can i in response imprint the token? or does the token not stay long enough that even instant speed can't interrupt it?
February 10, 2011 3:35 p.m.