How does Epic work?
Asked by btmankin 14 years ago
When a card says epic than says copy this spell but not its epic ability what does that mean exactly? (probably seems like a dumb question) me and my friends have all gave a viewpoint on it so a little bit of detail or a point to its exact location in the mtg rulebook would be extremely helpful. Thanks for all the help!
KrazyCaley says... Accepted answer #2
Xera's got it right, but just to explicate a little:
Say I cast Eternal Dominion . The epic ability means two things: 1- I can't play spells ever again, and 2- I make a copy Eternal Dominion every upkeep.
If you didn't have the "but not its epic ability," then you would repeat this every time:
On the next turn after I cast ED, I would create a copy, as the original card demands. But then because the COPY would be telling me to make copies of itself (per the epic ability), next upkeep I would create TWO copies (one copying the original Eternal Dominion, one copying the first copy I made of it), then the next upkeep FOUR copies, and so forth.
The intent was only for you to get ONE copy of the epic spell each upkeep (barring some weird circumstance where you Twincast ed it or whatever). That's why the epic ability itself isn't copied; if it were, you'd get multiple copies each turn.
October 7, 2010 2:31 a.m.
thaimaishuu says... #3
xeratheenigma is right.
Pretty sure it would make exponential copies if epic was left unchecked. There would be multiple stacking of the ability epic each upkeep which is what is copying the spell.
Upkeep one: 1x epic = 1x copy Endless Swarm
Upkeep two: 2x epic = 2x copy Endless Swarm
Upkeep three: 4x epic = 4x copy Endless Swarm
Upkeep four: 8x epic = 8x copy Endless Swarm
October 7, 2010 2:49 a.m.
xeratheenigma says... #5
no once an epic spell you cast resolves you cant cast spells though you can still cast spells while your original epic spell is on the stack (not its copies though)
but if your opponent has cast an epic spell that resolved and you have not then you can still cast spells
hope that helps
October 7, 2010 3:38 a.m.
KrazyCaley says... #6
Once an epic spell resolves, you're done. No more spellcasting for you ever again. The epic ability doesn't NEED to be copied for that to be the case- it only needs to resolve once to ban you from spells forever.
October 7, 2010 3:41 a.m.
Hey, i just want to be sure about the following options:
if i cast a spell with epic and then (as the original spell is on the stack) copies it one or more times with a card like Uyo, Silent Prophet, then the epic ability will also get copied and i will get copies every upkeep for each of the copies i made when i played the original.
because as the first copy resolves all the following have already been cast(or copied), and they will resolve and make copies for me every turn?
and as i get the copies in my upkeep i can also copy them for more effect(can you copy a copy?)
Am i right? thanks for any answers
October 23, 2010 4:20 p.m.
xeratheenigma says... #8
thats correct
say you copy Endless Swarm and copy it twice using uyo for a total of three (these two copies will have the epic ability as well) which will give you three copies of endless swarm on each of your upkeeps
xeratheenigma says... #1
the reason its worded that way is so the spell doesnt double itself on each of your upkeeps
its just so you get the spell's effect without the copying effect of epic
please correct me if im wrong
October 7, 2010 1:26 a.m.