Gideon Jura and Leyline of Punishment. What happens to Gideon?
Asked by Jarrod_0067 13 years ago
Leyline of Punishment : Damage can't be prevented.
Gideon Jura , last ability: Prevent all damage that would be dealt to Gideon this turn.
So, what happens? Does Gideon, the Human Soldier creature take damage? Or does the damage get dealt to Gideon, the Planeswalker's loyalty?
Justarsaus says... #2
he would get damage dealt to him since he is a planeswalker and a creature he would loose loyalty = to the damage dealt to him ie he is blocked by a Hill Giant he would loose 3 loyalty and the Hill Giant dies mr. Gideon Jura would be a lil beat up but over all he would be fine unless he lost all his loyalty counters that is
December 18, 2010 8:09 p.m.
damage is dealt as a leyline says so if gideon takes either 6 damage or enough to remove all loyalty counters he dies.
December 18, 2010 8:21 p.m.
MagnorCriol says... Accepted answer #4
Actually, the Oracle rulings cover exactly this sort of thing. Basically, he gets the worst of both planeswalker and creature worlds:
"If you activate Gideon Jura's third ability and then unpreventable damage is dealt to him (due to Unstable Footing, for example), that damage has all applicable results: specifically, the damage is marked on Gideon Jura (since he's a creature) and that damage causes that many loyalty counters to be removed from him (since he's a planeswalker). If the total amount of damage marked on Gideon Jura is lethal damage, he's destroyed as a state-based action. If Gideon Jura has no loyalty counters on him, he's put into his owner's graveyard as a state-based action."
So, basically. When he's a creature, he has both loyalty counters AND "health".
If you activate him with 8 loyalty counters on him, if something deals 6 unpreventable damage to him, he'll take 6 damage and lose 6 loyalty counters, and die like a creature even though he'd technically have 2 loyalty counters left over.
If you activate his third ability, and the opponent sacs their Vampire Hexmage to remove all of his counters, he'd "die" like a planeswalker even though he hasn't had any damage dealt to him.
tristamicus says... #1
He can't prevent it. SO if he had 8 loyalty counters on him, and you made him a creature, I could do 6 damage and kill him off. Such is the price for mortality.
December 18, 2010 8:09 p.m.