How does regeneration interact with infect?
Asked by zigkid3 14 years ago
so i was playing amatch one day with someone. it was infect deck vs. infect deck.
anyways i had out a Blight Mamba and he had some random infect creature.
if i or he blocks an attack where Blight Mamba is involved what happens to it if i pay to regenerate it?
he claims that it still dies because it takes the -1/-1 counters. but if that were the case then that means regeneration would happen after being hit instead of being used as an instant which would basically make it a useless ability in the first place then (as then it die from normal combat damage as well for hitting 0 health then too). so i'm not so sure what he was saying was right.
ilikeoldcardsbetter says... #2
I believe regeneration removes all damage from the creature, and removes it from combat (if it was in combat). So if creatures with infect deal damage in -1/-1 counters, and you remove the damage from your mamba, it won't take any -1/-1 counters.
If your mamba's toughness IS reduced by -1/-1 counters some other way, then regeneration is useless.
I'd wait to see what some others think though, I may be wrong in some areas
October 18, 2010 7:35 p.m.
regeneration doe not remove damage or remove from combat.
All non-firststrike damage is dealt simultaneously.
Regeneration states that the next time this creature is dealt lethal damage and/or would be destroyed this turn, it is not instead. Tap the creature. It still deals and is dealt damage.
So when it receives a toughness of 0 from -1/-1 counters, it is neither destroyed or dealt lethal damage. It has its toughness reduce to 0 and goes to the graveyard as a state-based effect.
Regenerate does not help at all.
October 18, 2010 7:41 p.m.
KrazyCaley says... #5
Technically regeneration DOES remove damage from the creature AND it pulls the creature out of combat. See 614.8. However, by "remove damage," it means damage markers. A creature that deals its damage in the form of -1/-1 evades this because regeneration is looking for normal damage markers, not -1/-1 counters.
So regeneration doesn't save you for the same reason it doesn't save you from Infest and other such effects.
cardcoin says... Accepted answer #1
Your opponent is correct.
You pay the mana to regenerate before the creature is damaged, if it takes damage from an infect creature, then that damage is dealt in -1/-1 counters to the creature, therefore it has 0 defence and as a state based effect it will die unless there is something that can give it at least a +1 defence and keep it's defence above 0.
October 18, 2010 7:24 p.m.