If I have a Platinum Emperion and a Bitterblossom in play will I get a faerie token?
Asked by gdog9819 13 years ago
If I have a Platinum Emperion and Bitterblossom in play, do you still get the 1/1 faerie token?
emblasochist says... #2
Yes. They are two different effects. If it instead said "Pay 1 life: Put a 1/1 black Fairy Rogue creature token with flying into play. You may only use this during your upkeep and only once per upkeep." Instead, it is though Bitterblossom reads "During your upkeep, put a 1/1 black Fairy Rogue creature token with flying into play. If you do, you lose 1 life." However, Platinum Emperion says your life total cannot change. I dont know the rule number, but cannot overrules can and do type effects.
January 25, 2011 9:39 p.m.
π_is_the_word says... #3
Actually, it reads that you are required to lose 1 life and put a 1/1 Faerie, it is not a may ability. You must put the token onto the field and separately during your upkeep you lose 1 life.
January 25, 2011 10:01 p.m.
emblasochist says... #4
The point is that even if an effect would cause the player to not lose the life, he/she would get the fairy rogue token. Technically speaking, if you really want to see how it works it is like this.
"At the beginning of your upkeep, you lose one life."
And
"At the beginning of your upkeeep, put a 1/1 black Fairy Rogue creature token onto the battlefield."
January 25, 2011 10:07 p.m.
thaimaishuu says... #5
I heard that if you over look a mandatory ability or forget to do it a judge could disqualify you. Is this true?
January 25, 2011 11 p.m.
π_is_the_word says... #7
From what I understand it is both, I think they try to rewind the game to the point at which the mistake was made. But, if it is an intentional mistake then, they can disqualify you.
I've only played in 1 big tournament, so I haven't memorized the tournament rules.
January 26, 2011 6:44 a.m.
no it's not true. The rules and penalties are as this :
Both players are required to maintain game state. This means that both of them must remember the mandatory triggers. However, it is the duty of the player that owns the ability to trigger it (or the active player in fact). The other player may wait until on of that substep to call a judge , and the player that missed the trigger will receive a warning (competitive REL). At 2 warnings in one competition game loss penalty is issued.
IF both player miss the trigger, and a judge sees that, both are issued a warning. A spectator can stop the match and call a judge.
In either cases the mandatory ability resolves as soon as possible, but if the game changed a lot since that it could not resolve at all (this is not necessarily a rewind of game state). Depends of the judge's assesment of the game state.
BUT if player does not call a judge to issue the warning for a misses trigger, because it is in his interest, this can be interpreted as Fraud-Cheating and is an automatic disqualify at any REL. (this includes the investigation from judges and so on).
As conclusion : if you are at FNM, remind that player that he forgot an ability. (rules here are lenient, and most judges will not issue a watning, but a caution. Repeated misses will cause the caution to go warning). But if u are a higher REL (GPT,GP,PTQ,PT) you should call for a judge as soon as that player forgets the ability and he passes the step.
Do not try to get advantage out of a missed trigger because this will likely get u disqualified. Play fair even if you lose. Self-esteem and respect must be maintained.
January 26, 2011 8:28 a.m.
But if u are a higher REL (GPT,GP,PTQ,PT) you should call for a judge as soon as that player forgets the ability and he passes the step.
Be careful here. If you recognize that your opponent is missing a triggered ability, then point it out later (even if it's calling a judge over), you're stepping into Cheating territory and THAT could get you a DQ.
To stay on topic, if Bitterblossom was worded "Lose 1 life. If you do, put a 1/1 black faerie rogue token into play with flying." then you wouldn't get the token.
π_is_the_word says... Accepted answer #1
Yes, Platinum Emperion says your life total can't change and Bitterblossom says that you get a faerie each turn and you lose 1 life. The life loss is not a cost for the token.
January 25, 2011 9:32 p.m.