If I Rite of Replication my Precursor Golem, will the kicked ability be copied as well?
Asked by Minister 13 years ago
This is an idea of a deck I'm making, and so any help would be greatly appreciated.
If I Rite of Replication my Precursor Golem , will the kicked ability be copied as well? As is, I get five more PGs and (ten of) their tokens, but will I also get five of each other golem into play or just one?
Thanks,
Minister
Rite of Replication only targets one creature whether you kick it or not. This satisfies Precursor Golem's trigger of "an instant or sorcery spell that only targets a single Golem". This means (provided you kicked the Rite) you get 5 copies of Precursor Golem and 5 copies of every other Golem on the battlefield.
To back this up, "706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object's characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, card type, subtype, supertype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
January 14, 2011 10:49 a.m.
TimProctor says... #4
Since you get to choose what order they go on the stack would it work like this?
Rite of Replication will hit Precursor Golem , and make 5 Precursor Golem s putting 10 more Golems into play. The 1st ability of Precursor.
Then the Rite of Replication will effect all other Golems in play. 5 Precursors and 12 other Golems and copy them 5 times putting into play 25 Precursors and 60 others. The 2nd ability of Precursor.
Then the 25 Precusors then spawn putting in 50 other Golems and the spell is resolved. The 1st ability of the Precursors brought in the second time due to the 2nd ability of the Precursors.
So you end up with 30 Precusors and 110 other Golems? Just to have someone Doomblade one of them?
January 14, 2011 11:03 a.m.
The effect is determined upon casting the spell. Tokens put into play by Rite of Replication enter the battlefield, then once it has resolved any triggered abilities it causes get to resolve. This means only 5 more Precursor Golem s, and another 20 3/3 Golem tokens (10 copied from the 2 already on the field, then 10 from Precursors entering the battlefield). Plus of course 5 copies of any other Golems that happen to be wandering aound the battlefield (Enatu Golem ftw).
January 14, 2011 11:30 a.m.
popeyroach says... #7
this question was put to our local judge. the short answer is you get an absurd number of golems. the number varies based on whether you target a copy or the original (I have no idea why).
here's a better explanation than I can give: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=465421793586&set=a.465421788586.244669.79564468586
January 14, 2011 11:43 a.m.
popeyroach says... #8
my mistake, you need to cast 2 of them to do this. maybe with reverbarate?
January 14, 2011 11:48 a.m.
I'm not sure what this facebook page says is correct. "Busted Magic Combos" has a weird idea of how the stack works. Say you had 6 Precursor Golem s on the field. Yes, targeting a single Golem would trigger all of their abilities, copying that spell for each Golem, multiplied by each Precursor. This page seems to assume each copied Rite will put it's tokens down, THEN the next copy of Rite will target all of the newly spawned copies. This is just not the case. The target/s of a spell are determined when the spell is cast. Unless otherwise specified, any copies of that spell will have the same target/s as the original (also note here that the copying, and therefore the selection of targets, occurs when Rite of Replication is cast, then and then only).
The number varies because there is still the original Rite on the stack, followed by the mass of copies that Precursors generate.
By my calculation, this means a total of 191 Precursor Golems and 1040 vanilla 3/3's if you target a Precursor with your original Rite, and 186 Precursor Golems and 1025 vanilla 3/3's if you target a Golem token. CBF figuring out any other Golems on the field, although it would be a similar number to however many Precursor Golems you have.
January 14, 2011 12:21 p.m.
yeah you'll get like fivety billion 3/3's it's chill.
January 14, 2011 1:04 p.m.
I want to build this - with R/U control - I can almost have Binary Beatdown back.... Token up a Pyromancer Ascension cast rite ... Golem-spooge all over the field and prey they dont have a Day of Judgment that you can't counter.
January 14, 2011 1:09 p.m.
MagnorCriol says... #13
"I have eleventy billion 3/3 golems. Concede?"
"No. I have one red mana open."
January 14, 2011 1:51 p.m.
haha, I was planning on making this a g/u build with Asceticism . That would have fixed my problem. And most like that would hit the field sooner than Rite would.
I'll let you know how it turns out.
January 14, 2011 2:46 p.m.
awesomusprime says... #15
I tried it and it didn't fly, I ended up making deck that replicated Elvish Archdruid instead. Goodluck!
brianguymtg says... #1
Yes, you will.
January 14, 2011 10:34 a.m.