Monarch vs Not Dead After All
Asked by tinhead 2 weeks ago
I am the Monarch and I control a Thorn of the Black Rose. My opponent attacks me with an Oliphaunt and I block with Thorn of the Black Rose. Before combat damage, I resolve Not Dead After All targeting my blocking Thorn of the Black Rose. What happens after combat damage goes through?
My hypothesis is: Since I control the triggered ability that would transfer the monarch and control the triggered ability granted to Thorn of the Black Rose by Not Dead After All, and they triggered during the same chunk of time where only state-based actions are being checked, I get to choose the order in which they go on the stack at the end of my combat damage step. Therefore, I can choose to arrange them such that I retain the monarchy.
CR 722.2. There are two inherent triggered abilities associated with being the monarch. These triggered abilities have no source and are controlled by the player who was the monarch at the time the abilities triggered. This is an exception to rule 113.8. The full texts of these abilities are “At the beginning of the monarch’s end step, that player draws a card” and “Whenever a creature deals combat damage to the monarch, its controller becomes the monarch.”
Seems like a triggered ability to me?
March 8, 2025 1:06 a.m.
Sliverguy420 says... #3
seems weird to call them abilities when they're not printed on a card, but i believe the rest of what i said still stands.
March 8, 2025 1:10 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #4
The second paragraph of your question perfectly explains the interaction. You control both triggered abilities and can order them in whatever order you would like. You can retain the monarchy, or pass the monarchy depending on what you want to do.
Sliverguy420 says... #1
unless i'm missing something, there is no triggered ability that would transfer the monarch. combat damage is dealt, opponent briefly becomes the monarch, then Thorn of the Black Rose enters and you become the monarch again.
March 8, 2025 12:20 a.m.