My opponent casts Skinrender and in response i cast Brave the Elements protecting my creatures, would skinrender kill itself?

Asked by CrossfireNate 13 years ago

One white creature on the field. Opponent casts Skinrender . Player responds with a Brave the Elements . Is Skinrender forced to target self?

Scotty4u says... #1

No. Skinrender 's affect would just not happen. Since it comes into conflict with Brave the Elements .

You: Cast Skinrender and target opponent's white creature.

Opponent: Adds to the stack and Casts Brave the Elements and picks the color black.

White would gain pro-black, causing Skinrender's effect useless. And "nothing" would happen :D

So, you would not have to target yourself.

January 4, 2011 3:36 a.m.

Scorpse says... Accepted answer #2

that's not quite right.

Depends on the time brave the elements is cast.

On the battlefield there you have 1 creature and the opp has nothing. (simplified for the sake of example).

opp casts Skinrender . His effect will only happen only when he enters the battlefield. This is why we have 2 timing situations.

  1. Cast Brave the Elements while Skinrender is on stack. Brave resolves giving your white creatures protection black. Now Skinrender resolves, and enters the battlefield. His controller MUST choose a target to put counters on it. The creatures that were affected by Brave the Elements are illegal targets, so those cannot be chosen. IF Skinrender is the only creature legal, it will commit suicide.
  2. Skinrender resolves, and when enters the battlefield, opp choses one of your creatures. Ability goes on stack, and you cast brave the elements in response. This means creatures get protection, and Skinrender s anility is countered upon resolution as of illegal target. Your creature lives, and so is Skinrender .
Best case is to castBrave the Elements when Skinrender is on stack, if you have only white creatures, so the controller of Skinrender has to put counters on one of his creatures.
January 4, 2011 4:52 a.m.

cardcoin says... #3

I second Scorpse's Answer on this one, the devil is indeed in the detail. :)

January 4, 2011 5:06 a.m.

TimProctor says... #4

Yup Scorpse said it absolutely right. Best to force the opponent to target their own creature instead of making the ability fizzle.

January 4, 2011 9 a.m.

CrossfireNate says... #5

thanks so much, you guys are always the most help.

January 4, 2011 1:23 p.m.

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