Primal Surge stack interactions.
Asked by Va1mar 7 years ago
I have a Ruric Thar, the Unbowed's Primal Surge deck (original, I know :p)And when the primal surge resolves there are A LOT of etb effects on the stack. Normally I can manipulate these to be ordered in the way I so choose. Which is to make various damages occur first, which leaves a dead opponent(s). Do I have to finish the stack after everyone else is dead?It would take some serious finagling to work around the etb draws which would obviously be detrimental to the whole "winning the game" thing.
Thanks for the help.
Gahrzerkire says... #3
Neotrup Va1mar ETBS DO NOT RESOLVE OR GO ON THE STACK UNTIL PRIMAL SURGE HAS FINISHED RESOLVING!! Source (Literally wizards): https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=240158
December 7, 2024 7:40 p.m.
Gahrzerkire says... #4
Neotrup I mentioned the above becuase they all enter at once, and therefore they will all see eachother. The triggers resolve one at a time, but they can see all permentants entering. e.g. it doesnt matter if before playing primal surge you have 1 land in play for field of dead, as long as seven differently named lands are coming in with field, it will create 2/2s for all entering and all current lands including itself.
December 7, 2024 7:42 p.m.
Gahrzerkire The permanents enter one at a time. This is different from something like Genesis Wave. Permanents revealed (and therefore entering) later will not see the ones that entered earlier, so something like Soul Warden will only trigger off later permanents, not earlier ones. That said, all of the triggers will be added to the stack only after Primal Surge finishes resolving, and may be added in any order, so you can resolve the first one that entered before resolving any others, or after resolving all the others. You'll notice that was included in my initial answer: "That said, all the triggers go on the stack at the same time, so you are of course able to order the stack as you choose." You are correct that they will need to wait for Primal Surge to fully resolve before any trigger is put on the stack.
Field of the Dead will only trigger once there are 7 or more differently named lands, so if you cast Primal Surge while only controlling Forests, you'll miss a bunch of triggers. Again, this is different from something like Scapeshift where all of the lands enter simultaneously.
The important thing to notice is that Primal Surge directs you to put the card onto the battlefield then repeat the process, instead of having you put all of the cards onto the battlefield after you've finished the process. Spells can contain multiple steps that will trigger abilities at different times. When this happens, the triggers wait to be put on the stack until after the spell has fully resolved, but resolving the spell still takes those multiple steps sequentially. Another example of this would be something like Austere Command where you destroy different sets of objects twice. If you destroy enchantments and creatures mana value 3 or less, Fecundity would not trigger while Femeref Enchantress would trigger, because the steps do happen sequentially. You would still need to wait for Austere Command to finish resolving before Indebted Spirit's trigger is put on the stack, so the token it creates would not be swept up in the second mode.
Neotrup says... Accepted answer #1
Players who have 0 or less life lose the game as a state based action (between resolution of abilities). Once all your opponents have left the game, assuming your still in the game, you win! Don't have to wait for the stack to finish resolving or anything.
One note, in case your unaware, when resolving primal surge, the permanents enter one at a time, so abilities will only trigger off of things that enter after them. That said, all the triggers go on the stack at the same time, so you are of course able to order the stack as you choose.
July 24, 2017 1:10 a.m.