What are some rulings regarding Venser, the Sojourner
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Asked by Scotty4u 14 years ago
- If you were to exile a permanent with Venser, the Sojourner and your opponent somehow manages to get rid of your Venser, the Sojourner , will the exiled permanent be returned at the end of the turn?
- If you were to exile Venser, the Sojourner using his own ability, would he return at the end of the turn?
- If you were to exile a planeswalker using Venser, the Sojourner 's ability, would the planeswalker return with the stated amount of loyalty counters on the card?
MagnorCriol says... #2
I can't answer the first two confidently, but the third one I can - No, they wouldn't. Unless explicitly stated otherwise (Oubliette comes to mind) if a card leaves play, for whatever reason, when it returns it's treated as an entirely new card. It loses any auras, counters, or other states it had before it left play.
You can use this fact and any simple Unsummon - or phasing-esque ability (like Venser's) to severely impact any Imprint card - they exile a powerful card they want to spam, you blink their card, and the card the exiled is lost for good.
November 7, 2010 11:50 a.m.
MagnorCriol, For the third part, I think he was asking if the planeswalker come back with the amount it would have when you play him, NOT the amount he had before he left.
In case I misinterpreted the question, when the planeswalker leave play and comes back in it will have the amount of loyal counters on it as it would if you just played it.
Sorry for the confusion.
November 7, 2010 12:23 p.m.
MagnorCriol says... #4
No, you're right, Zylo, I didn't read the question closely enough. (RTFQ error? =p )
If you blink a planeswalker using Venser's ability, they come back in with as many counters as if they were just played, just like Zylo said. Sorry for the mixup.
November 7, 2010 2:03 p.m.
As others have stated, Venser, the Sojourner 's emblem ability is not until end of turn or until Venser, the Sojourner leaves play. Once they are exiled they are gone until another spell or ability brings them back.
November 7, 2010 5:59 p.m.
We're not talking about his emblem at all. We are referring to his first ability. And with his first ability they do come back at end of turn even if Venser leave play, as long as Venser's ability resolved when it was triggered.
November 7, 2010 7:08 p.m.
this is all correct...just to be more specific, Venser, the Sojourner 's first ability results in a delayed triggered ability that ends up triggering during the end phase.
November 7, 2010 9:13 p.m.
About the end phase aspect of his ability, because I was hoping to build a whole deck around it if it can be done. Assuming you exile another planeswalker, would it then be possible to use that planeswalker's abilities when it returns? If it is, I want to create a deck that abuses the capacity to over-use planeswalker abilities and just rinse and repeat, like the combo this deck is suggesting if it is possible: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/venser-and-garruk/
December 28, 2012 3:21 a.m.
MagnorCriol says... #9
Yes, you absolutely may. Whenever any permanent enters the battlefield, it's considered an entirely new permanent unrelated to any previous "existence" on the battlefield it may have had. So if you flicker a planeswalker, you'll be able to activate one of its abilities again.
Note that this also means its loyalty counters will be reset - when it comes back in it'll have however many loyalty counters it normally gets when it enters, regardless of how many it had before you flickered it.
Zylo says... Accepted answer #1
To answer all of your questions: Yes.
The ability is still there and even if the abilities source was removed then it would still happen because it has already resolved. This goes for both your first and second questions.
For your third question, whenever a planeswalker enters the battlefield, unless some outside force affects it (which I believe right now there are none), the planeswalker will always have the amount of loyalty counters as stated on the card.
November 7, 2010 11:46 a.m.