What happens if i activate my manland in response to Spreading Seas being cast on it?
Asked by muffludwig 13 years ago
Okay. What happens if my opponent casts Spreading Seas on my Stirring Wildwood and in response I make it a creature? I understand it is still a land so it is still a valid target. But now is a 3/4 Island? I'm confusing myself as I'm typing this. All I want to know is A) what the land becomes and B) what happens at the end of the turn?
xeratheenigma says... #2
short answers:
a) it becomes an island
b) at the end of turn nothing happens because your wildwood is now just an island.
if you long answers ill post those for you
December 15, 2010 10:53 p.m.
Nuh-uh. When the Spreading Seas resolves, you have a 3/4 green and white Elemental creature with reach that's also an Island. At the end of that turn it becomes an Island with no notable abilities other than being an Island and not being a basic land. It just taps for U.
It's due to layering and other complicated things...Spreading Seas wins, but if it's already a creature it stays that way until end of turn...this is the complicated part of the rulebook.
December 15, 2010 10:55 p.m.
xeratheenigma says... #4
the way spreadin seas is worded make the enchanted loses all its abilities besides producing U mana.
if it was worded something like Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth then it would retain all of its abilities that it has/had
December 15, 2010 10:57 p.m.
xeratheenigma says... #5
yea i always mix up the layering and which takes precdence
December 15, 2010 10:59 p.m.
the key words for what supernick statement to work is "in addition to"
your Stirring Wildwood is now an island, nothing more.
if Spreading Seas was a beneficial enchantment, it would be say something along the lines of "Enchanted land is an Island in addition to its other land types"
December 15, 2010 11:01 p.m.
oi...I've dropped a Spreading Seas on my own land before...generally to be able to cast something blue-heavy without the requisite land drops (like Grozoth . or just Jace PMS). plus, CANTRIP!
December 15, 2010 11:22 p.m.
well of course you can enchant one of your lands.
but the majority use of the card is to screw with your opponent.
my friend just used it earlier when we were playing with some other League buddies.
Spreading Seas ed his mountain a turn right before he top decked a Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
December 15, 2010 11:26 p.m.
oh, that doesn't half suck. spread'em is the best counter that control has to Valakut ramp at this point.
December 16, 2010 12:02 a.m.
π_is_the_word says... #10
When Spreading Seas resolves, and you respond by making your land into a type-creature-land(it is still a land), the enchantment would make your land into an Island and it would lose all other abilities. This is because the Enchantment is overriding the state of it being a 3/4. Because the text reads "Enchanted land is an Island."
So, if you were trying to stop the enchantment from working, you would have to make the target, in this case a Stirring Wildwood lose its type-land. Or, you would have to make it become an invalid target by removing it from the Battlefield.
December 16, 2010 8:46 a.m.
its an easy mistake that can happen to anybody, no biggie. :3
December 16, 2010 11:49 a.m.
Overly Detailed Explanation:
1) The opponent casts Spreading Seas on the Stirring Wildwood and passes priority.
2) You respond by activating the Stirring Wildwood and then pass priority.
3) The opponent passes priority allowing the wildwood ability to resolve generating the "manland" continuous effect. This continuous effect has a duration of "until the end of turn". This continuous effect gets a timestamp (see 613.6) at the time the effect is generated.
4) We both pass priority allowing the spreading seas to resolve. When the spreading seas enters the battlefield its continuous effect is generated and the ETB card draw trigger is ..well...triggered. As per 613.6a the continuous effect, being generated by a static ability, has the same timestamp as the object that is generating it. The object that is generating it (the Spreading Seas enchantment) got it's timestamp when it entered the battlefield (see 613.6c).
5) Both players pass priority and the opponent draws a card.
End of Scenario.
So what happened to the land?
See 613.6 and 305.7 for further information about this next part: Layering:
(Skipping unused Layers and Sublayers)
Layer 4: The Type-changing effect of the "manland" ability is applied making the wildwood a creature land - elemental. Then the Spreading Seas ability is applied making it a creature land - elemental island.
Layer 5: The Color changing effect of the "manland" ability makes it white and blue.
Layer 6: The ability-adding effect of the "manland" ability adds reach. The Spreading Seas effect removes the static ability that makes it enter the battlefield tapped, the G/W mana generating abilities, and of course the manland activated ability.
Layer 7b: The power and toughness are set by the "manland" ability to 3/4.
End result: A 3/4 creature land - elemental island. It has reach and can tap for a blue.
At end of turn it reverts to being just an island because the "manland" continuous effect ends then.
Since the "manland" continuous effect only stipulates that the effect ends, and not what the land turns back into when it ends, it ceases to apply its effects in layers 4, 5, 6, and 7b but can not supersede or contradict the still present continuous effect of the Spreading Seas ' static ability.
supernick says... #1
the land has these abilities:
tap, add G or W to your mana pool
1GW 3/4 with reach
tap, add U to your mana pool
it is now an island but retains its tap G/W, or can tap blue, or become its creature form
December 15, 2010 10:49 p.m.