What happens when I copy Chimeric Mass using Rite of Replication?
Asked by SocialistElite 13 years ago
Okay. So if I have a Chimeric Mass with 4 counters on it, and I pay the one mana to animate it into a 4/4, and then I cast a Rite of Replication on it, what exactly happens?
theemptyquiver says... #2
Yes. That first answer sounds correct.
Since the value of Chimeric Mass is dependant on X, and X is only calculated when it is cast, the copied tokens would simply be Chimeric Masses with no counters on them.
So the tokens, in this case, would be useless because without counters the creature ability would be moot. Although if a player were to activate the ability of Chimeric Mass with no counters I'd assume the card would destroy itself? As it would turn into a creature with no toughness. haha.
Hilarious.
January 17, 2011 4:14 a.m.
Justarsaus says... #3
it wouldnt destroy its self it would be put into the graveyard as a state based action... with the Rite of Replication when you cast it on the Chimeric Mass while it is a creature you would get 1 (or 5) 0/0 creature token(s) and they would be exiled as a stated based action (since tokens do not go to the grave yard when they leave play)
January 17, 2011 5:52 p.m.
Siegfried is correct, just want to correct something in Justarsaus's answer. Tokens do go to the graveyard, they then stop existing as a state based action. If you equip a skullclamp to a token, for example, and the token gets destroyed, the skullclamp will see that the token hit the graveyard before it stopped existing.
Siegfried says... Accepted answer #1
706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object's characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, card type, subtype, supertype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied. Example: Chimeric Staff is an artifact that reads "X: Chimeric Staff becomes an X/X artifact creature until end of turn." Clone is a creature that reads, "You may have Clone enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield." After a Staff has become a 5/5 artifact creature, a Clone enters the battlefield as a copy of it. The Clone is an artifact, not a 5/5 artifact creature. (The copy has the Staff's ability, however, and will become a creature if that ability is activated.)
From what I read here, your Rite will produce a Chimeric Mass with no counters on it, and without it's ability activated. Copy effects basically copy what it says on the card, and ignores whatever state it happens to be in now.
January 17, 2011 4 a.m.