When does a token leave the graveyard?
Asked by Gamer7129 13 years ago
For example, if you attack with a 4/4, and I have a Bonehoard equipped to a 0/0 germ and a Brass Squire , I block with my brass squire, and then tap it to equip the bonehoard to it. There is already a creature in the graveyard, but would the token stay in the graveyard long enough to give the squire +2/+2 from the bonehoard, or would it leave too soon?
The token does hit the graveyard, but it does not stay there long enough for the equiptment to give the +2/+2 to the squire, as it exiles after priority passes. The token's graveyard triggers are limited to triggerd abilites (when a creature you control is sent to the graveyard). In other words, the token hits the graveyard briefly, checks for triggered abilities, then exiles at the next checking of state. Other than that, xo2 is correct about the combat damage thing.
January 30, 2011 4:45 p.m.
technically, tokens do initially "hit" the grave yard but disappears after that, so effects that say when a creature goes to the grave you get a bonus or something, like Blade of the Bloodchief the tokens count, but for a card like Bonehoard that state the number of creatures in a grave yard, your token won't count for it 'cause the token does not exist long enough in your grave for teh effect to take place.
hope that helped
January 30, 2011 4:48 p.m.
umbralninja says... Accepted answer #4
@xo2: No, unfortunately, you're wrong. Tapping a creature while it's in combat does not remove it from combat; it will still take and deal damage as normal.
As described, there's 1 other creature in a graveyard. The sequence of events would be:
1: Declare blockers (Brass Squire blocks the 4/4).
2: Tap Brass Squire to put "Equip Bonehoard to Brass Squire" on the stack.
3: Brass Squire's ability resolves. Bonehoard equips the Squire. The Squire is now 2/4.
4: You pass priority to your opponent so that they may respond. Triggered actions are checked, and the token is placed in the graveyard. The Squire is now 3/5.
5: Since the token was put into the graveyard, triggered actions are checked again. The token is exiled from the game. The Squire is now 2/4.
6: Combat damage step. The Squire dies, the 4/4 does not.
Long story short, no. It would leave too soon. There is a way, though, that you could end up with a 2/4 Squire at end of combat. Block with the germ, then equip the Squire after blockers are declared. The 4/4 is blocked, but has no creature blocking it, and will deal no damage.
January 30, 2011 4:55 p.m.
What I would like to know.. can Conversion Chamber exile a token during my turn because it exists long enough to trigger abilities? In other words can tap abilities also be used?
My attacking token was Dismember 'd and blocked so it died during my attacking phase. I wanted to know if I could have used Conversion Chamber as the token hit the graveyard, since it exists long enough to trigger abilities.
xo2 says... #1
the token just goes away when its destroyed, sacrificed, etc.but it wouldnt matter because if you tap Brass Squire , no combat damage is dealt to or by it.
the 4/4 is still blocked and doesnt deal any damage unless it has trample.
January 30, 2011 3:40 p.m.