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wallisface, once again I have to disagree with you. DemonDragonJ gave a good example of context where Wood Elves is actually pretty good. Gidgetimer actually was more on point when it comes to Commander ramp.
Chulane, Teller of Tales is a perfect example of a deck where Wood Elves is better than Cultivate. It's a deck that you basically want not just many creatures, but a critical mass of creatures. So, having ramp creatures actually provides more synergy than instant/sorcery ramp. You have to remember Wood Elves doesn't search only basic forest, it can also searh triomes, surveil lands and shock lands while having the sneaky benefit of not putting them tapped. Which means, if you cast with Chulane, Teller of Tales out, you can put a land from hand on the cast trigger, get a shock land paying the 2 life and have two mana available to make another play. However, as a sidenote, I think self-bounce is better than blink/flicker in Chulane, Teller of Tales as you can retrigger his ability.
I'm not exatlcy sure about it being good in Ghired, Conclave Exile since it seems to want creature tokens specifically, but maybe it works.
January 13, 2025 7:27 a.m. Edited.
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Here's actually something I disagree with wallisface. I don't think Wood Elves is much worse than Cultivate nor is marginally better than Atalan Jackal.
If we're talking about raw ramp, then yes, Cultivate is better because it can also set up future ramp such as Explore and Growth Spiral, but Wood Elves can get nonbasic lands such as Indatha Triome. I'm not saying it's an auto-include if you have nonbasic forest, but it's something I'd consider.
About Atalan Jackal, just look at its EDHrec page. You'll see roughly 4 types of commanders that play it.
- Warhammer commanders - I imagine this is because it comes in the precons.
- Haste commanders - Ognis, the Dragon's Lash, Minsc & Boo, Timeless Heroes, Deathleaper, Terror Weapon and Samut, Vizier of Naktamun.
- Combat commanders - Anzrag, the Quake-Mole, Mr. Orfeo, the Boulder and General Marhault Elsdragon.
- Very creature focused decks - Animar, Soul of Elements, Nikya of the Old Ways and Ruric Thar, the Unbowed.
These aren't the only commanders that run this card, but the ones that play it the most. They don't run Atalan Jackal because it's good, but because it actually synergises with the overall strategy. It doesn't enable the strategy, it is part of the strategy.
January 11, 2025 8:19 p.m.
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Bookrook, I'm not saying that there aren't staples or they shouldn't be played. I guess I expressed myself incorrectly. What I meant is not every card with an upside is a staple. For a card to be good in every deck of that color (ir any color) it REALLY needs to be generic or very powerful.
January 6, 2025 7:15 p.m.
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As a general piece of feedback, you need to stop thinking about cards being generically good. From taking a look at few of your decks, Riku and Numot, and based on how you evaluate cards, you need to think more about synergy.
Most of the decks that play Atalan Jackal are either Haste tribal or creatures only (there's also the Warhammer commander but I imagine that's for flavor and/or it comes in the precon). Unless you're going for maximum synergies and/or a deckbuild restriction, Cultivate is just far superior. If this is already in most of your lists, there's still plenty of more efficient ramp.
January 6, 2025 6:37 p.m.
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#1wallisface, if you go to Chulane's page, you'll see Wood Elves as one of the top creatures being used for his decks, right below Dream Stalker and above Sakura-Tribe Elder. Also, you can include all the mana dorks you want + Wood Elves no problem.
January 13, 2025 6:15 p.m.